6. According to Arab tradition, the Adnanites are called Arabised because it is believed that Ishmael Spoke Aramaic and Egyptian then learnt Arabic from a Qahtanite Yemeni woman that he married. Qur'anic accounts of Salih always follow those of Hud. The absence of evidence here is no evidence of absence. Jazak Allah, Ok thanks jazzakkallah that about it thanks but out of the 8 theorys I put down before witch one would you pick to be the best interpretation thanks and when you say (archaic) do you mean that are civilization is better then the people of AD relics or the other way round that there relics are better than are houses or do you just mean there relics are better then the mekkahans houses and madian houses etc I didnt really understand you by that bit but thanks for your helping jazzakkallah. 14. Chapter___ MUSLIMS ARE FUNDAMENTALISTS AND TERRORI Chapter___ Human Embryonic Development __ Qur'an a Atowar Rahman Salafi _ Atowar Rahman Salafi | atow Suhih Bukhari_ Book of "End of the World". It is likely, then, that most of the artifacts in this region belonged to the many generations of those who came after them as the Quran mentions. But the inscriptions in Lihyanite script and some recently discovered archaeological vestiges are evidence for human settlementas early as the 3rd or 2nd century BCE. [28] These two groups are considered to be ancestors to modern day Arabs. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features Press Copyright Contact us Creators . He sent Prophet Hud (AS) to the Aad, and Prophet Salih (AS) to the Thamud. And God knows best. 2 See, I will make you small among the nations; _ Story of Aad _tafseer. But as well see below, archaeological and literary records place them firmly in Northern Arabia/Jordan, well after the death of Jesus (33 AD). [2] The Thamud are not specially connected to the Thamudic scripts, an aggregate term for understudied writing systems of Ancient Arabia. The general consensus among 14th-century Arab genealogists is that Arabs are of three kinds: . Thats all the Thamud had to do. As Suleyman Dost observes, The Qurns reference to rock-cut dwellings fits the picture perfectly with the exception that these carved niches do not seem to have functioned as living areas3, Returning to textual references, Diodorus, a Greek historian writing in the first century BC, mentions a group called Thamoudnoi in North-Western Arabia4. According to Saudi-archeology website, an academic website aimed at archiving the rock images and providing archeological information on them, the structure may have been used for holding sacred feasts. We have a good perspective of the size of these supposed tombs in this picture, as the faade has been destroyed. Prophet Muhammad () descended from Ismail ( ), http://www.imgrum.org/media/1483126817820752683_724804649, http://saudi-archaeology.com/sites/madain-saleh/, The blind companion and killing of the concubine, Islamic identity of Rm (Rome) and Romans II, The Benefits of the Presence of Ambiguous Verses in the Quran, Islamic Stance on Astrology and its related Sciences. well) who killed their Prophet AS and hung him inside a well. God sent down a milch camel as his sign, and Salih told his countrymen that they should not harm the camel and allow it to drink from their well. p.190. What are the Sunnahs and etiquettes that we should >>> , - ?____ Fatwa . But before we get to that, lets analyze their responses. The video (arabic): https://youtu.be/0XIPP6vsDmA. Perhaps these survivors were Prophet Hud (AS) and his followers. (3). Numerous rock writings and pictures traditionally attributed to the Thamd have been found on Mount Athlab and throughout central Arabia; though labeled Thamdic, they actually reflect a diverse set of ancient Semitic dialects used by various Arabian tribes. People descended with the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, to the valley of Hijr, the land of Thamud, and they drank from the wells and kneaded flour with it. Success comes from Allah, and Allah knows best. We must look at them, ponder over the signs of Allah and take heed. The hadiths show that there were wells present in that particular spot attributed to the Thamud. The hadith reports the prophet (pbuh) as having passed Median Saleh and described the ruins as their dwellings referring to the Thamud. According to the Greek historian, Diodorus Siculus, the Nabateans have a law neither to sow corn nor to plant any fruit-bearing plant, nor to use wine, nor to build a house. We have no concrete evidence that Nabateans were destroyed. And you said the nabteons built over them so if they built over them all then how could the prophet see them or the quran describe them when they were built over by them and by the time the prophet came because the nabateans came before jazzakkallah, But these are the last 5 questions and thats it sorry to keep bothering you it is that Im getting all the information I can so if Im ever questioned then I can answer them jazzakkallah, Sorry just 2 more but thats it most of these questions are yes or no Surviving quotations from Agatharchides's On the Erythrean Sea, from the second century BCE, reports that the Thamud Arabs then inhabited a "stony and large shore" of the Arabian coastline, south of the Gulf of Aqaba. Khurusani Arabs were mainly contingent from Nejdi tribes such as Banu Tamim. I look forward to your response my dear brother. Rather, it tells us to look at the region in which Thamud had existed as well as the many generations after them. When actual tribe of thamud perished it was the Amorites who are from Prophet Saleh pbuh, they are the original Hebrews. Missionaries and polemicists seize upon the error of this folklore as an alleged example of the error of the Quran, but in reality, this is not the case. It is not a revealed book any more and hence, we are not bound to believe in a few thousand year old civilization our scriptures do not mention any such thing. According to the Islamic tradition, the Thamd were warned by the prophet li to worship Allh, but the Thamd stubbornly refused and as a result were anni. Assalam alikum forget the rest of what Ive put down but I was just wondering does 36:41 prove that every one on the earth comes from the people of tge ark if yes then how does that work because people could still see thamud dwellings so that means they could only come thousands of years of go but we know noah had to come near them but we know humans have been here at least 40 thousand bc so how do we explain this, Assalam alikum thanks for the answers but thamud had to be destroyed no lesser than 3000 bc not 800 bc jazzakallah because thamud came before Abraham jazzakallah but thanks, Also if the quran says the area is wadi al qura then madian al saleh is not wadi al qura jazzakallah but thanks, But of course in there empire day they would of probably built in wadi al qura and al ula and madian al saleh and else where in there area because they would of had a large population any where between 20 thousand to 50 thousand people because mekkah and median together came to 20-40 thousand people in the prophets day and 40:21 says these people were more in population so they had to be more than mekkah and median, Assalam alikum also dies 7:74 mean that Thamud were the descendents of ad or not or were they they descendents of ad jazzakallah. It is large enough to house individuals, should they have chosen to live inside them. Is there a possibility that these remaining tombs (around 1400 years back, were more in number and had dwellings as well) were inscribed upon by the Nabataeans as has already been proposed and I came across a while back, Assalam alikum what about 40:21 and 40:82 if someone could explain these verses, Walikum Assalam, 4) That the ORIGINAL dwellings in the valley were Thamuds but Nabateans built them further. Good reply Adeel. It was these nine families that cause much of the problems for Salih. JazakAllah. [31][32] Other Arab tribes migrated into Sudan in the 12th century and intermarried with the indigenous populations, forming the Sudanese Arabs. But the Thamud let their education and knowledge go to their heads. The Aad and Thamud were both located in the northwestern part of modern day Saudi Arabia near the border of Jordan. Hence, they had become very rich. Point by Ismail about the order of the messengers from earliest to latest also is something to ponder over and maybe the people of the Hijr are different from the Thamud. God knows best. The Edomites can also be a separate nation and through the passage time they shared history, tradition, and custom with the remnants of the Thamud. Also, 28:40 is referring to Pharaoh and the verse tells us to BEHOLD how Allah SWT dealt with him without us being present to see it. They did worship Allah, which Ill prove soon. The fact that these structures are still around today, after nearly 4000 years is a testament to their quality and design. Arabian tradition holds that the Thamud kingdom was destroyed by God. Modern historiography "unveiled the lack of inner coherence of this genealogical system and demonstrated that it finds insufficient matching evidence".[14]. Trudy Ring, Noelle Watson, Paul Schellinger. Are women deficient in intelligence in Islam? What is the issue here? I believe carving out structures in hills and mountains may have been a common practice within the ancient Arabia and its surroundings based on both the Biblical and Quranic accounts. you will be utterly despised. 11. Most decent Muslims would never do such a thing, but there are many misguided people who do. Im also inclined to believe that these nine families were the direct descendents of those believers who escaped the land of the Aad with Hud. The Aad werent about that. [29] The second Arab tribal migration to northern Mesopotamia was in the 10th century when the Banu Numayr migrated there. To Aad was sent the prophet Hud; to Thamud, Saleh, and together with another mysterious figure, Shoaib, they constitute the only three pre-Islamic prophets mentioned in the Quran that have an exclusive Arab provenance. And perhaps, over the generations, these people developed their own magnificent society with its own special hallmarks and characteristics. The Bible 5. The Thamud were Arabs, and the Bible tells us in Genesis 28:9 that Esauthe father of the Edomites married into the Ishmaelites, so that makes Edomites half Arabs also. This generally means that despite very weak appearance now they one were very well established from the remanats. (2). Heavy contact with Romans resulted in us having a pretty decent record of its territories and people. According to the Quran and the Islamic exegetical tradition, the Thamud were an early Arab tribe who rejected the message of the prophet Salih. due to the belief as mentioned in the Quran that warners were sent to all Nations. Honestly I dont understand the confusion at and all of it has been dealt with above. They mainly settled in the Hauran region and spread to modern Lebanon, Palestine and Jordan. Hud tried to reason with his people by reminding them of the many favors Allah had given them. So they concluded that the Nabateans did constructed them. The buildings of Thamud may or may not have remained but the well did exist then Our editors will review what youve submitted and determine whether to revise the article. They boasted of their physical strength, and power; they thought that this would protect them from Allh's punishment. We do not take it as a science book and neither should we take it as a book of archaeology. No, not at all. So Allah sent a camel with the simple command: Dont harm her. And We saved those who believed and had Taqwa. One may argue that they existed until 106 CE, i.e. The arguments against the Quran and Hadith are as follows: Al-Hijr Archaeological Site (Madin Slih) UNESCO World Heritage Centre. The exact time of their existence is nearly impossible to determine. [23] The ninth-century Muslim scholar Ibn Sad believed that the Thamud were the Nabateans. This law they hold because they judge that those who possess these things will be easily compelled by powerful men to do what is ordered them because of their enjoyment of these things. . Before sending the punishment on them, Allah sent two prophets to these nations. Then do you see any remains?Chapter 69, Verses 6 8. But as a sign of their wickedness, they killed her. How archeologists date the tombs and other structures is primarily based on the inscriptions found in them. The caliphate also allowed the migration of Arab tribes to Egypt. (29:38) If they turn away, then say, I warn you of a lightning-bolt like the lightning-bolt of Ad and of Thamud. Then bring us what you promise us if you are among the truthful.Chapter 7, Verse 70, It is all the same to us if you advise us are not from among the advisors. 74], , And certainly did the companions of Thamud deny the messengers. [11] An important exception is a temple at al-Ruwfa in northwestern Saudi Arabia, built by the Thamd themselves in the 160s CE. Therefore, the Aad were a society that sprung up from the survivors of the flood, perhaps some of the same people who rode in the Ark with Prophet Noah (AS). In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful. The absence of evidence here is no evidence of absence. They are of Arab origin, but now of mixed blood mostly with Nilo-Saharans and Nubians. Ok thanks jazzakkallah last questions and ill leave it at that what do you mean not on the surface and is 89:9 saying the Arabs could still see those buildings because it says (the rocks it uses al the why not just say rocks and what does it mean by rocks does it mean houses or mountains thanks their country was called Arabia Petraea, the rocky; and their metropolis Petra, the rock: Jerom says that they that inhabited the southern part of the country and dwelt in caves cut out of the rock, to screen them from the heat of the sun: or, thou that dwellest in the circumferences of the rock F16; round about it, on the top of it, in a tower built there, as Kimchi and Ben Melech. I dont understand this question and how it is relevant to our topic at hand. [27:49]. It is not specific to the 2 Arab tribes. [27] Both tribes are of great reputed antiquity and, according to traditional Arab genealogists, are two of the four ba 'ida, or extinct tribes. 9. that that Thamud did it then the edomites took over then the nabteaons but all I know is that Thamud existed before 3000 bc so 3000 bc is probably when they were destroyed then the edomites revamped them made them look new then the nabteaons did the same and I believe the tribe of ad was destroyed weather 5-8 thousand bc and I believe noahs flood was around the ending off the ice age what was between 10-13 thousand bc became the population of the world was only 1 million at 10 thousand bc and no more than 20 million people at 5000 bc what makes stuff interesting but as a side note if the quran does say that noahs people was the first to commit shirk then ad then thamud but none at the same time or between then thamud had to come before 9000 bc so that was when they would be destroyed because the gobeki tepe was built then and that was definitely pagan shirk but this is my opion but thanks, And of course ad was the descendents of noah and thamud was the descendents of ad. Yes both Ad and thamud left dwelling places as opposed to some other Nations mentioned in the Quran but again the reference is generic to many other Nations not mentioned in the book that came to other parts of the world etc. But given the possibility that these ruins could have once been created, either completely or partially, by the Thamud and taken later by the Edomites in Petra and then the Nabateans, who inscribed graffiti on themtheir inscriptions are exactly thator even carved out recesses inside of them, there isnt an unsurmountable problem. 10.can al hijr be somewhere else like al ula al-Hijr, the second most important centre of the Nabataean empire, is the title of the 15th chapter of the Quran. Let us know if you have suggestions to improve this article (requires login). [Prophet], it is your Lord who is the Strong, the Mighty One. Abdullah ibn Umar, may Allah be pleased with him, reported: . The title People of al-Hijr was, therefore, that of Nabateans who came much late in history and their period overlapped with Thamud-II, the remnants of Thamud-I, the subject of Quran.[5]. Their responses were a reflection of this culture. In my opinion this is an argument that Muslims have to tackle thoroughly due to its ease of presentation by non-Muslims and (hypothetical) explanatory power. The Aad before them were pretty decent architects and built some fairly magnificent castles. Some have shelves carved into the rock; one has a large room, possibly big enough to house a council. after Isa (as), the period there were no prophets aynmore- how they could then deny their messenger? This is the temple that was built by the tribal unit of Thamud, the leaders of their unit, so that it might be established by their hands and be their place of veneration for ever7. The people led wealthy excessive lives, built grand buildings, both on the plains, and carved into the hills. In addition to building gigantic structures, the Aad were also conquerors. These Arab tribes have played a role in the demographic changes in the Arab world through the increase of the Arab population,[8] as well as the ethnic, cultural, linguistic, and genetic Arabization of the Levant and North Africa.[9]. He said, O my people, worship Allah; you have no deity other than Him. Thus, the possibility exists that the Edomites copied the mountainous dwellings of the Thamud, just as the Nabateans may have copiedor took over the architectural style of the Edomites or the Thamud and added their own flavor. 12. What do u think? They mistreated the lower classes and worshiped others besides Allah. The prophet was a man of his times and of his own personal experiences, he could have attributed what he saw to the Thamud due to the fact that the Thamud lived on the exact region as these ruins. An envoy was sent to the nations to say, However, as the Christians have proposed an objection to the notion of any other people carving structures in hills and mountains prior to the Nabateans, this leaves the Christians with the following options: (1). They wanted to prove that (scientifically, of course) that Salih was not telling the truth. Traduzioni in contesto per "heard roaring" in inglese-italiano da Reverso Context: These are the ones we heard roaring on Friday. Ive discussed this more below. Do not enter the dwellings of those who wronged themselves unless you are weeping, lest you be afflicted with the likes of what afflicted them. . We should look at the original Arabic for word though to fully understand. Nabateans replaced them and built on them/around them What we do know about the Edomites, historically, is that they lived in and around Petra before the Nabateans came. Al-ijr, Saudi Arabia: ancient Thamd house, This article was most recently revised and updated by. They also could have written inscriptions on the many structures that already existed. As for their dates, I do not know and it is not necessary that they would have to be very close to each other. SUHIH MUSLIM _ THE BOOK OF HEART-MELTING TRADITION 40 Hadith Qudsi_ Al Nawawi's Forty Hadith. One of the main lessons I see is that we must be very careful about mocking or challenging Allah. This is an odd conclusion. There are countless artists, pundits, and celebrities who mock Allah, His Messenger (pbuh), and Islam. From about the 2nd century BCE, a few inscriptions from Qaryat al-Faw reveal a dialect no longer considered proto-Arabic, but pre-classical Arabic. Both groups of people were located on the Arabian Peninsula. 3) The tombs were in fact built by Thamud as houses and the Nabateans simply inscribed them later. Based on some of the artifacts and writing, there are several civilizations at play here and they consider that the stone carvings were the work of Nabataens), Assalam alikum but mu point is it make it sound like these 2 verses mean that thamud and AD buildings were still standing tall my point is on the arabic word atharan because does this mean that this verses are saying midian al saleh are thamud because that would be wrong, Does atharan mean we have to see it or does it just mean they made marks witch we dont have to see, Walikum asalam As regarding to the Ahadith from Ibn Umar (as), they seem to be a interpretation of him itself, the prophet (as) says nothing about them. Other later Arab migrations in Iran include the mostly cross Gulf migrations of Arabs into Hormozgan and Fars provinces from modern day eastern Saudi Arabia and other Gulf States, post 16th century. Much of the lineage provided before Ma'ad relies on biblical genealogy, so questions persist concerning the accuracy of this segment of Adnanite Arab genealogy. The Quran on the Cerebrum: _ Qur'an and Science. Its also implausible that a people who would be at the helm of such epic architectural and engineering achievements would not even make mention of it, or at least keep a record of it. Will you forbid us to worship what our fathers worshiped? [Sahih Muslim, Book 55, Hadith 49]. It becomes rather implausible that a people who a had a law against building a house, would then start constructing breathtakingly massive structures from the rocks of the mountains themselves. The Kingdom of Thamud was the first existing kingdom on the Arabian peninsula, according to Assyrian and Roman sources. Man, you must be crazy. A. Yusuf Ali wrote: The Thamud people were destroyed by a dreadful earthquake which threw them prone on the ground and buried them with their houses and their fine buildings., A terrible earthquake came and buried the people [of Thamud] and destroyed their boasted civilization. And you said the inside has to be bigger how big do you think it has to be inside like the inside of petra or smaller or bigger and how many rooms do you think there should of been or do you think the inside of madion al saleh is the right size sorry for all the questions but these are it then I wont ask any more questions Im justin putting them all so then thats it jazzakkallah, This is also part of 4. I have yet to find a shred of evidence of a dead body that was placed in any of the recesses in the walls. Thanks for the article and yea I see no problem. And Ad and Thamud as has been made clear from their dwellings. Assalamualaikum what do u think of the carbon dating and the presence of wells? A report in the hadith collection of Bukhari makes this connection between Thamud and al-Hijr quite explicit. But the Thamud were more nuanced in their rejection. What do we know about the Nabateans? They carved-out habitations on the hills and mountainscaves constructed on high places. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Quran and Hadith on Thamud and their Dwellings, The Issue of the Qurans Teaching on Islamic Monotheism. Assalamualaikum the ruined abandoned wells may possible be referring to those belonging to the People of Ar-Rass (i.e. Take your time and let it sink in: 1. Here you can read various translations of verse 38. There is no possibility that these were houses. And as for Aad, they were destroyed by a screaming violent windstorm which Allah imposed on them for seven days and eight nights straight. Are you telling us to change our religion from our fathers relgion? Allah does not want wrong for the servants. . Amend their accusation to now include the Bible also. [Quran 27:45]. Dealing with faith-related doubts in Islam. Is their carved construction still there today? Re. However, inside most of them is only a small room about three to four square meters in size. Eph'al instead speculates that the Thamd and other Arab tribes may have made arrangements with Sargon to trade in Samaria, which Assyrian historians embellished as submission. http://saudi-archaeology.com/sites/madain-saleh/. Shaitan (Satan) made their deeds fair-seeming to them, and turned them away from the (Right) Path, though they were intelligent. "Thamud are an ancient Arabia, tribe or group of tribes that seem to have been prominent from about the 4th century BC to the first half of the 7th century AD. Thamud were destroyed [2] We do not know where they went, but they carried on the practice of stone carvings in the mountains. [13] Robath is likely the ancient name of modern al-Ruwfa. The Quran mentions Aad as successor to the people of Noah (Q 7:69), and Thamud, as successor to Aad in turn (Q 7:74). Over time, some say nine generations, these people developed a society that was very powerful, wealthy, and influential. He replaced the people of the Flood with the Aad and then replaced the Aad with the Thamud. the fate and remains of past generations with our eyes bcuz verse 25:37 speaks about the people of Nuh AS and it tells us that Allah SWT left a sign for mankind. Id hate to be the one to rain on the holy Christian parade, but this inanity has to be responded to. Objection number 2 is not a major problem once we consider the various factors involved. Certain objections can and may arise with the above narrative. Not only did they reject them, they mocked, ridiculed, and in the case of Salih (AS) they even tried to kill him. While I think thats a response one could muster the fact is that we have no evidence whatsoever for that and it does not explain why the Prophet () would have referred to them as punished people. Since I dont have my own blog currently, I will post it here, in case it helps anyone. The exact details of their faith are not mentioned much in the Quran, but it was definitely something that was practiced by most of the society. It does not imply that they were carved by members of the ancient tribe of Thamd. Compared to modern civilizations of this time that we live in, these were still archaic and that is just sign of the times but compared to those who came after them in the lands, these destroyed civilizations were e definitely stronger. Let me explain who they are People Aad, and they are said to be called Aad by the name of their father, an extinct Arab tribe mentioned in the Qur'an . As their material wealth increased so, too, did their evil ways while their virtue decreased. These prefixes ignored in the alphabetical ordering: Al, Banu. So you could see the people therein fallen as if they were hollow trunks of palm trees. Then, his progeny, and his people, came to be known by the name of ` Ad. Change). 2) The dwellings of Thamud are elsewhere in the valley of Hijr. What timeline do you think thamud and AD and noah came because they would of have to be closed together and if noah nation was the first to commit shirk then they will have to of come 10 thousand bc because of the gobekli temple in Turkey because they commit shirk 9500 bc. After the Arab conquest of Persia in the 7th century, many Arab tribes settled in different parts of Iran, notably Khurasan and Ahwaz, it is the Arab tribes of Khuzestan that have retained their identity in language and culture to the present day while other Arabs especially in Khurasan were slowly Persianised. The sentence, This structure is not only large enough and a couple more contained links. Hud ( ) was sent to Ad and after their destruction, Thamud inherited the land. 27:52 means that their dwellings were destroyed but visible to the onlookers and the Prophet () and the Sahaba saw them but we cannot see them today In sum, missionaries and polemicists contrive an accusation against the Quran by obscuring, deliberately or not, the meaning of Thamud in the Quran and its relationship to the complex array of archaeological sites in Arabia. However, now none may be visible and what is visible now are those made centuries later. So proceed through the earth and observe how was the end of the deniers. (Quran 16:36). But the Thamud cut its hamstring or otherwise wounded it. The Nabatean inscriptions are the ancient equivalent of graffiti, which humans even today have a predilection for. As we know, he gave the nations some period until the determined day of punishment. And We gave them Our signs, but from them they were turning away. But I digress. Therefore, the Adnanites are descendants of Abraham. Among such nations were the 'Ad and the Thamud, the Amalekites and the Himyar after them, the Tubbas, and the other South Arabian rulers (Adhwa). There is a place called Khyber at Pakistan/Afghanistan border but that is NOT the Khyber of Madina. Many centuries elapse before we find Thamud again in the textual record, though their name crops up many times in (undated) inscriptions throughout North Arabia. The Thamud were the successors of the Aad. The Tribes of Arabia (Arabic: ) or Arab tribes (Arabic: ) are the ethnic Arab tribes and clans that originated in the Arabian Peninsula. They became two parties quarreling with each other. Their dwellings remained but very partially They may believe in Allah and may even worship Him in some ways. This is not but from the customs of the former peoples and we will not be punished.Chapter 26, Verses 136-136. 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